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Do you want opinions?
Thu, Jan 26 2006 @ 21:19   //   Category: Opinionated   //   22 comments

Bloggers are supposed to have opinions, and to share them with the world. I used to do that a lot more - I even have my own category for it as you can see above. These days most the time I can't be bothered. What's the use, you just get into arguments don't you.

Like evolution. I am of the opinion that evolution is a fact (and yes it's only an opinion, but I know I'm right of course :))). It's been proven, irrefutably, it's a scientific truth. There aren't any alternatives one should consider or "keep an open mind" about. It exasperates me that a lot of people question it. It annoys (but doesn't surprise) me that they do in the States, and it shocks me that they do over here too.

And then I share my bewilderment about this with my friends and find that a lot of them think like that too. So then we start discussing it, and I just get tired and bored. Why should I get worked up about the fact that people don't believe in evolution? As long as they don't harm anyone... whatever. (|

PS I still find it oh so incomprehensible tho that people can contest something that's so blindingly obvious. :-/ It's a fact people, it's not a theory! 8-|

People say...

How can you be of the OPINION evolution is a fact when it IS a fact?

Posted by: JarJar on Thu January 26, 2006 at 22:27

Of course I KNOW it's a fact but then people will go "wah wah wah but that's only your opinion!" because they are convinced it's wrong.

Posted by: Clarissa on Thu January 26, 2006 at 22:29

so cute birthday header

Posted by: Lo on Thu January 26, 2006 at 22:54

They are starting to teach, or want to teach alternate theories in schools here too. (here being Australia). Whats that one called, superior design or something..? Anyways, I dunno, on some level I can see why we should learn a few different theories - even if just to let people know that there are different ones out there - but teaching theories based on religion in a SCIENCE class seems warped. You do scripture or religious studies to learn about that, not science. And the whole point is that you can chose if you want to learn about religion or not, yet if they start to teach it in science classes - that you HAVE to do - then it gets messy.

Random I know.
I'm still not convinced about the apes.

Posted by: snow on Fri January 27, 2006 at 2:06

Intelligent design.
And yes I absolutely agree with you. It would belong in religion classes, it's not science. (yet I guess for the people who believe in it it is. *shudder*)

*lol* about apes. There isn't really anything to not get. It's the whole point of evolution. Diversity!

Posted by: Clarissa on Fri January 27, 2006 at 8:18

So like... if I say the world isn't flat and someone else says it is, what I'm saying is an opinion because they don't agree? Or if you say "yes" is spelled "yes" and I don't agree yours is just a opinion and not a fact?

(Or if I say green is the best colour and squiZZ doesn't agree what I'm saying is just an OPINION and not a fact?! )

Posted by: JarJar on Fri January 27, 2006 at 10:26


Posted by: meh on Fri January 27, 2006 at 11:14

lol you always have to argue. it seems you like to get into these discussions when you should be studying especially.

Of course it's an actual fact - but not to everyone!
I don't think the "yes" thing is a good example. But as soon as it's less simple, people start arguing and we have "opinions". There was this one discussion on Metafilter where someone had completely weird ideas about where to put commas in the English language, depending on what you want to stress. He was totally wrong - there's nothing wishy washy about where to put commas - but he was so convinced he was right that to HIM there were "opinions" (his and that of the other people) - and in the end everyone else gave in because there was no point trying to argue with him.
If people want to convince each other of something, it's usually cuz they have differing OPINIONS. They may both be convinced they're right (i.e. that THEIR view is the "correct fact"), but they're still opinions.

Plus the entry started out being about "opinions" so I carried on with that idea. I was being partly tongue in cheek. Of course to me my opinions are truth, but since I get accused so often of always wanting to be right, I thought I'd play on that.

lol @ green.

Posted by: Clarissa on Fri January 27, 2006 at 12:57

one would have to define 'best' of course.

Posted by: squiZZle on Fri January 27, 2006 at 13:04

YB!!! (snigger)

Posted by: Clarissa on Fri January 27, 2006 at 13:06

lol I am not arguing I just found whoever discussed the evolution thing with you silly. A fact is a fact and not an opinion.

Posted by: JarJar on Fri January 27, 2006 at 18:06

But not to the people who don't believe that the fact is a fact

Posted by: Clarissa on Fri January 27, 2006 at 18:08

Well it's not my fault they are dumb.

Posted by: JarJar on Fri January 27, 2006 at 22:49

I think it's horrific that in some parts of America evolution is hidden away! And some religious thing put in its place. Ok, fair enough if people have a religion, that's their own business. But evolution is... evolution. It's science and doesn't change no matter where you are in the world. To hide a scientific fact away from someone.... I dunno.... It's terrible. It's only asking for trouble.

Posted by: Woods on Sun January 29, 2006 at 0:51

Some people don't need actual evidence to believe things. Some people believe we all have souls, as do I. No one has ever seen a soul, yet they believe because they don't need to see things for themselves. They just have something in them that tells them it's out there.

It's like in Contact when she says she doesn't believe in God, she's a scientist and needs proof. He asks if she loved her father, who died, and when she says yes he asks her to prove it.

Not everything can be laid out in front of us.

Another theory is that both evolution and God exist - he made the earth and made us evolve.

Posted by: The BML on Sun January 29, 2006 at 15:13

Yes slutbag I'm know people don't need proof to believe (the very word implies it). Otherwise there would be next to no religious people in the world, as very few will have experienced something that they may consider proof of the existence of a God.

But we're not talking about that here are we. We're talking about the refusal to accept a scientific fact for which there is abundant proof & evidence.

And yeees, I am also aware that a lot of people believe in both God and evolution - again, this is not what I was talking about.

Posted by: Clarissa on Sun January 29, 2006 at 15:42

Well it seems like you're saying your opinion is based on fact (therefore it follows you're saying your opinion is fact) and everyone else is wrong, which I derived from the "it's only an opinion, but I know I'm right of course" comment. You have no idea if you're right, just as the millions who believe in God don't either. In their mind there is staggering 'proof' of the existence of a God, and they feel sorry for those who can't see that. There are two sides to the coin, and everything I said before comes into the same argument so it IS relevant.

You said you find it pointless getting into discussions about it but as long as you bring it up and imply you think you're right and everyone who thinks otherwise is wrong, you're inviting them to debate it, which they will.

Both sides of the argument have been around for millions of years and will never change, there's no point getting fed up with ppl who won't look at it from your way, as you won't look at it from their way either.

It's the same with two different religions who are adamant theirs is the correct one to follow. Everyone believes something different, and it'll never be resolved.

Posted by: The BML on Sun January 29, 2006 at 16:50

I don't think Citz was saying that her belief is based on fact and therefore she is right. I am of the belief that she was simply saying that she believes that evolution is fact, therefore, she believes in it. But is obviously forming a lot of opinions.

Posted by: Woods on Sun January 29, 2006 at 18:34

*sigh* I actually considered having no comments on this entry since I couldn't be bothered with a debate but then people would've gone "wah you don't even give us the chance to respond!!"

I should never have used the term opinion. *lol* Let me reiterate yet again:
E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N   I-S   A   F-A-C-T!
There is no "belief" involved in this, same as for the scientific fact of gravity. The only difference is that studying the evidence in support of evolution would take considerably more time and effort.

And for once I'm not even talking about religion, but only about Creationism vs Evolution.

Oh, and both sides of the argument have not been around for millions of years, since humans haven't. *lol* And Darwin lived only 150 years ago.

Anyway. I am indeed not going to debate this further. I won't close the comments now so you don't cry censorship, but I won't respond anymore.

[edit]Indeed @ Sinead[/edit]

Posted by: Clarissa on Sun January 29, 2006 at 18:52

Millions of years was an exaggeration to try and iterate my point.

And I've never cried censorship in my life. I was simply saying, opposing comments are to be expected.

Posted by: The BML on Sun January 29, 2006 at 19:57

Clarissa Wam, should eat spam *sings*

This has nothing to do with anything. I love you. Feel free to delete.

Posted by: Tay on Sun January 29, 2006 at 21:48

Tommy is non-deletable.

Posted by: Clarissa on Sun January 29, 2006 at 22:18